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Editor's note: Recently, the active link "Ship EDINBURG Passenger Lists" was removed, and I could not find another copy of it on the Internet. I thought that I had saved a copy of it, but many searches over several weeks turned up nothing. As I was looking through a directory on the evening of Wednesday, January 11, 2006, I discovered the saved copy. Unfortunately, when I had saved it on Wednesday, October 9, 2002, I did not know how to keep all the associated images and other files. That means that there are certain parts of this cache file that just don't work correctly. However, most of the web page is as it was. I have updated the link back to our own NCMcKay Web Page that appears near the bottom of this web page.

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"TWO LISTS OF INTENDING PASSENGERS TO THE NEW WORLD, 1770 AND 1771."

Written by Frank Bigwood, M.A.
As printed in "The Kintyre Antiquarian and Natural History Society Magazine", No. 41, Spring 1997.

Ship "Edinburgh" voyage from Campbeltown, Scotland to Cape Fear, North Carolina in 1770 and to Island of St. Johns (Prince Edward Island) in 1771.

Please let me know if you find a passenger that is an ancestor of yours. Thanks, Harold A Ralston.

Down to Table 1. Voyage to North Carolina: Intending Passengers.
Down to Table 2. Voyage to North Carolina: Passengers in the Hold.
Down to Table 3. Account Passengers to St Johns per the Edinburgh and payment of the Freight.
Down to additional information from the magazine article.
(Click on Underlined passenger names to send email to a descendant)

**Table 1. Voyage to North Carolina: Intending Passengers**
C No.	H No.
		Samuel Watson D^r
3		To 3 births in the Cabin @ #4:10 Str each	#13	10
	2	To 2 Do in the Hould	#7
		To Annualrent on Bills indorsed		15	5 3/4
		To Commission on #25 str for Negotiating the bills at 2 = per ct		12	6
			#21	17	11 3/4
		John Watson D^r
2		To 2 Births in the Cabin at #4:10:0 Str each	#9
	1	To 1 Do in the hould	3	10
		To @rent on Indorsed Bills		9	11 3/4
		To Commission on #15..Str at 2=		7	9
		To Cash pd by Alxr McAlester	2	2	9<
			15	10	6
2		Thomas McMurchy D^r
		To 2 births in the Cabin for himself and his wife at #4:10 Str each	#9
		To = Barrel ffreight more than his agreement		1	10=
			9	1	10=
3		Mary McMath D^r
		To 3 Births in the Cabin at #4:10 Str each	#13	10
		To Com. on #5 at 2= pct		2	6
		(click on Mary McNath to see comment on descendant, H.R.)	13	12	6
	3	Duncan McLean D^r
		To 3 Births in the Hold at #3:10 Str	10	10
		To @rent due on an endorsed Bill & Commissn		2	8 3/4
			10	12	8 3/4
	3	John Lamont D^r
		To 3 Births in the Hold at #3:10 Str	#10	10	0
		To @rent on Indorsed bills		2	9=
		To Commission on #11 at 2=		5	6
			10	18	3=
		John Curry D^r
	5	To 5 Births in the Hold at #3:10 Str	#17	10	0
		To @rent on Indorsed bills		4	10<
		To Commission on #17:10 Str at 2= per ct		8	9
			18	3	7<
		Donald Curry D^r
	5	To 5 Births in the Hold at #3:10 Str	#17	10	0
		To @rent on Indorsed bills		1	10
		To Commission on #4:14 Str at 2= per ct		2	4
			17	14	2
	1	Niell McGeachy D^r
		To 1 Birth in the Hold paid in Cash	3	10	0
	2	Robert McKendrick D^r
		To 2 Births in the Hold at #3:10 Ster each	#7
		To @rent on Bills Indorsed		7	5
		To Commission on #11:15 at 2= per cent		5	10
			7	13	3
		John McMurchy D^r
1		To 1 Birth in the Cabin at #4:10 Sterl	#4	10
		Archd Smith D^r
1		To 1 Birth in the Cabin at #4:10 Sterl	4	10
	1	Archd McEacheran D^r
		To 1 Birth in the Hold at #3:10 Sterl	3	10
	1	Alexander, Allan D^r
		To 1 Birth in the Hold at #3:10 Sterl	3	10
	1	James Caldwell D^r
		To 1 Birth in the Hold at #3:10 Sterl	3	10
	3	Duncan Kelly D^r
		To 3 Births in the Hold at #3:10 Sterl each	#10	10
		To @rent on Bills Indorsed		4	3<
		To Commission on #10:19 Sterl at 2= per cent		2	6
			10	19	9<
		Neill McKergus D^r
	5	To 5 Births in the Hold at #3:10 Sterl each	#17	10
		To Interest on Bills Indorsed		2	3
		To Commission on #5:3 Sterl at 2= per cent		2	6=
			17	14	9=
		Donald Buie Tenant in Shanecnoch D^r
	5	To 5 Births in the Hould of the Edinburgh from Campbn to Cape ffair in America 70/-	#17	10
		John Smith D^r
	5	To 5 Births in the Hold at #3:10 Sterl each	#17	10
		To @rent on Bills Indorsed		5	5<
		To Commission on #12:1 Sterl at 2= per cent		6
			18	1	5<
		John Mckay at Balachintuy D^r
	3	To 3 Births in the Hould of the Edinbr Brigg from here to America st 70s	10	10
		To @rent on Bills Indorsed		1	11 3/4
		To Commission on #9:16 Sterl at 2= per cent		4	10=
					8=
			10	17	6 3/4
		Magnus McKendrick Junr in Kilocraw D^r
	1	To 1 Birth in the Hould	3	10
		To @rent on a Bill Indorsed		2	7<
		To Commission on #5:10 Sterl at 2= per cent		2	9
			3	15	4<
		Flory Sinclair D^r
	1	To 1 Birth in the Hold at #3:10 Sterl	#3	10
		Elizabeth McViccar D^r
	1	To 1 Birth in the Hold	#3	10
		Effy Kelly Spouse to Archd Kelly in Dalrioch D^r
	1	To one Birth in the Hold of the Edinburgh	3	10
		To Interest on Bills		2	10

**Table 2. Voyage to North Carolina: Passengers in the Hold**
1	John Watson	4 Births only three in them
2	Archd McEachern	4 Do full 2s each more than common freight
3
4	Jno Curry	5 Do Jno Curry wife & three Daughters
5	Vacant
6	Duncan Kelly	4 Do himself wife and two children & Jno Smiths daughter
7	Robert McKendrick	6 Do himself & family & Elizabeth McVickar
8	Alexr McIlchere	5 Do one vacant
10	Jno Lamon	4 Do full
11	Vacant
12	Magnus McKendrick	1 Do to pay the skipper 1/10= of over ffreight
13	Duncan Darroch	3 Do
14	Duncan buie	5 Do
15	Iver McKay	5 Do one of them Vacant (see Message from descendant)
16	Donald Curry	5 Do full
17	Duncan McLean	4 Do one of them Vacant
18	Vacant
19	Jno ffairley	5 Do

**Table 3. Account Passengers to St Johns per the *Edinburgh* and payment of the Freight**
Passengers Names	by whom paid	cabin hould rate	Total
(Click on Underlined passenger names to send email to a descendant)			#	s	d
Hugh Montgomery	himself	5 70	17	10
Neill Montgomery	Hugh Montgomery	1 do	4	1	9
Joseph Mclean	Provt Stewart	1	3	10
Joseph Woodside	himself	2	7
Janet Finlay	herself	1	3	10
Alex McKay sailor	himself	3	10	10
Neill McKay for	himself	3	10	10
Archd McKay	Neill McKay his broher	1	3	10
John McVickar	himself	1	3	10
Hector McShenoig	his ffather	1	3	10
Dun: McWilliam	himself	4	14
Dugd Campbell	in part per se	2	3
Neill Shaw	himself as under	4	10	3	10
Neill McCallum	himself	4
More Mckay	indented	1
Mrs Robt Stewart	Provt Stewart	7 2 90
Capt Jno Colvil	himself	7 70	21	10
Jno McLarty	Provt Stewart	1 70	3	10
Jno McGugan	do	2	7	10
Jno McKay sen	do	2
Archd McKenzie	do	2
Dugald Stewart	do	2 90
John McKay taylor	do	2 70
Mr Craig	do	1 90
Hector McEachine
Neil McLeonan
Andrew Wilson
Peter McDougall

Additional Information from the Kintyre Magazine Article by Frank Bigwood, M.A.
"The two lists of passengers, which are in Box SC54/2/106 in the Scottish Record Office, refer to two voyages by Edinburgh. One was to Cape Fear in North Carolina in 1770 and the other to the Island of St Johns (Prince Edward Island) in 1771." Edinburgh
"Both voyages are recorded in Customs Quarterly Accounts for Campbeltown. The first cleared out of Campbeltown on 29 August 1770, ...... The second cleared out on the 27 July 1771. (Since the above article appered in The Scottish Genealogist a little more information has come to light about the voyage to Prince Edward Island. ... we learn that she left Campbeltown the 3rd of August 1771 and reached Prince Edward Island on the 17th September.)" The Scottish Genealogist
"We know a little about the Edinburgh of Campbeltown and her trading and fishing activities from the Campbeltown Shipping Register.... She was a brigantine of 79 1/4 tons built at Leith in 1765 almost certainly to take part in the North Highland herring fisheries under the Government's bounty scheme in the winter and to undertake general trading voyages for the rest of the year. She was 51 feet long and 19 feet 6 inches maximum breadth, as measured by the customs officials....the likelihood is that the Edinburgh was about 9 feet in depth from deck to keel.... In 1770 and 1771 she had four owners: Peter Stewart, writer and merchant; and Alexander McAlester, writer and merchant; John McAlister, merchant; and Alexander McDonald, merchant. Her master from the start had been John McMichael from Southend, who was about 32 or 33 at the time of these voyages. He continued as master in the 1770s after the Edinburgh had passed into the hands of Duncan Ballantine and Company in 1774. She had a crew of eight for trading voyages and seventeen when she went herring fishing." Edinburgh Campbeltown Shipping Register Edinburgh Edinburgh

The folowing information has been provided by Frank Bigwood on September 21, 1998.

"Dear Harold Ralston

Thank you for your E-mail of 10 September.

I am sorry to have delayed so long in answering but I had an idea of
sending you a re-edited version of your  text. However, I have thought
better of this and for the moment would only wish you to change two things
which are quite clearly wrong - the number of people who travelled from
Campbeltown which was, I believe, 61 as there is evidence that Hector
McEachine did not sail and I would judge that the lack of payments against
the names after his suggests that they did not sail either; and the date of
3rd August which is wrong and should be 1st August.

It is my view that the migration of people from Argyll to PEI  was not, as
it is so often represented, a case of one or two ships arriving with large
numbers of settlers but much more in the nature of a slow trickle and that
many more ships than we know about took people across in small numbers in
the late 1760s and early 1770s.  After all, Campbeltown (and other) vessels
regularly sailed out to the Newfoundland fishing between 1765 and 1769. 
Hector McEachine was the master of one of them, the Dun which was owned by
the Stewarts. It is a great pity that the Stewart papers have not survived
like those of Alexander McAlester because they probably would have
contained some of the information we are looking for.  

Yours,
 Frank Bigwood"

More information and conjecture about the ship and voyages are on page 9 - 17 of "The Kintyre Antiquarian and Natural History Society Magazine", No. 41, Spring 1997.

"15 November 2000, I am not a relative of Mary McMath, but had an elder uncle who passed away in 1982. His families were McMath, Porter and McBrydes and, were from Campbelton. Some came to America & some to Australia. Perhaps someone would like the small amount of info I have. It began in the late 1800s. This uncle was an only child and had no issue. But, his families were so wonderful. One descendent, my uncle's 2nd cousin, was Ginger Rogers, the wonderful movie star. Her name was really Virginia McMath. She, too, was an only child. " Betty J. Nesmith

July 9, 2002

My Ancestry:
 Iver McKay  (abt. 1735-aft. 1788)
   John McKay  (1768-1821)
      Emilia Salter McKay (married Alexander J McKay)  (1801-1836)
         John Alexander McKay  (1822-1882)
            Sarah Jane (Sallie) McKay (married John Stephen Melvin) (1852-1927)
               John Stephen (JS) Melvin  (1894-1973)
                  Robert F. Melvin  (1942-    )
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